2009-03-13 09:27 pm (UTC)
Well I'm proud of you two
Yep, it is one of those things you either say something and try and take the high road or you end up down in the gutter with the other party but at least you did not throw the first punch and well, that makes you the better man in deed. Yes, it is good to have back up in a situation like that and it is good to have friends with you to help out. Times are changing slowly but surely and even though the big old blow hards of the world get louder sometimes it is easier to take the wind out of their sails. I'm sorry you had to experience this hate in your town. My young friend in Salt Lake City just ran into a problem one of his friends got beaten pretty bad by a group of guys walking in his neighborhood with his dog and then my friends car got spray painted with nasty words during the night. Unfortunately Utah is a hot seat right now and well if this is where we have to make a stand then this is where it has to be.
On a good note the house in PA just passed the bill giving us protection rights at work. It has to go to the senate and then probably back to the house and then the govenor of course but it is a step in the right direction. I'm hoping it goes through. It is sad to think that a law that Harvey Milk was trying for in California 31 years ago is finally getting headway here in PA. It may take another 31 years for more laws to give us more rights but I'm willing to wait it out and if I'm not around then I'm hoping it will be better for the future generations of gay people. I look at what it was like in 1979 when I was 13 and coming out of the closet in NYC and how it is now in 2009 and even though bad still it is a heck of a lot better then it was. Also I see in the younger generation which for some unknown reason this 20 something crowd just loves contacting me and chatting with me that they have a lot less problems then I did at their age. So all we can do is keep up the little fights and maybe one day it will be better. Joe
Thanks Joe, and yeah, Hank wanted to stay on that high road but he was very angry and let himself get pushed off of it pretty fast.
We're so sorry to hear about your friend's friend getting beaten in Salt Lake and his car vandalized. That is so terrible! I hope he's okay, but I know the invisible scars are the ones that take the longest to heal. Hank never admitted it to Ed, but he was pretty shaken up by that confrontation. The Prop 8 fall-out and gay folks starting to protest for their rights here really is stirring up some very strong anti-gay feelings. (They were always there of course, right under the surface, but now they're much-more likely to be acted upon.)
I'm glad to hear that Pennsylvania seems to be headed in a good direction. Three similar bills... just about basic rights... didn't even make it out of committee here and another one was withdrawn before that even. But maybe all of this uproar in California and Utah really will end up doing more good in other states if not here. I sure do hope we're all around to see it. And yeah, if nothing else, the younger generation is what gives us hope. (Well... maybe not here so much either... but in most places.)
I'm glad it didn't get uglier. That the cops weren't involved. and Ed stepped in and protected Hanks honor.
There seems to be one bigot in every crowd. I'm glad they have such good friends as Bill and Betty.
And they are home again save and sound and Ed is riding the ranch :D
I know he'll do whatever Hank wants, cause he loves him so much (and visa versa)
Yeah, Hank's glad it didn't any get uglier than it did too. Ed probably never would have set foot off the ranch again if it had.
Hank's real glad they have friends like Bill and Betty too. It makes a huge difference, especially for Ed who doesn't open up to other folks so easily.
And yeah, it'd take more than that to keep Ed from his appointed rounds. :D
2009-03-14 02:39 am (UTC)
I`m so sorry for Ed and for Hank. Some people are just ignorant idiots. But I'm sure glad they have good friends like Betty and Bill and Myrna. I hope Hank takes lots of pictures of their trip and shares their adventures with us. I love road trips! And I'm sure it will be good for them, give them a chance to relax and have fun.
Thanks, that is so nice of you to say. And Hank will definitely take a lot of pictures, he just has to somehow make room for them on his computer when he gets back. He's also out of room on LJ and has to figure that out too. (Hank takes a lot of pictures...) And yeah, Hank is most definitely looking forward to getting out of here for a while.
2009-03-14 02:39 am (UTC)
It's going to be guys like Ed 'n' Hank...
...who will be on the front lines of equal rights.
If you're of a mind, blue, visit PostMormon.org sometime. I think you'll find some like-minded folks! ;)
2009-03-15 01:19 am (UTC)
Re: It's going to be guys like Ed 'n' Hank...
Well Hank's fine with being on the front lines of equal rights, but Ed isn't going to like that one bit. (So Hank's not going to tell him.)
Thanks for the link. I don't know if I've posted this before, but there's also this group specifically for GLBT Mormons and ex-Mormons and their families:http://affirmation.org/about/
The hardest pages to read are the memorial pages to those who've committed suicide.
(The guy who hit Hank probably either wasn't Mormon or was a non-practicing "Jack-Mormon" because Mormons aren't supposed to go to drink or even go to the bars, but the anti-gay sentiment here isn't limited to just Mormons, many of the non-Mormons in this area are very anti-gay as well.)
2009-03-19 03:29 am (UTC)
Re: It's going to be guys like Ed 'n' Hank...
Yeah... I can't go to the Affirmations [suicide] page without weeping. I don't visit often, but PostMo has become like a second home to me.
Aren't you [and Ed'n'Hank] in southern U-DUH!?
2009-05-10 05:44 pm (UTC)
Re: It's going to be guys like Ed 'n' Hank...
Apologies for taking so long to respond to your comment. We were camping for a couple of weeks and then having a whole lotta computer problems and whatnot since we got back.
And yeah... we're in southwestern U-DUH(!) Although Ed is originally from the northeastern corner of the state (near the Wyoming/Colorado borders, not the Idaho/Wyoming borders.)
I notice this story has taken quite a turn for the political. Of course, I always agree. But it feels heavy sometimes.
They are so cute, though, that it's always nice to see them and visit for a while.
"But... ya know... I coulda taken care of it myself..."
"You were on the floor, Hank..."
"Tha's only 'cause I was kinda off-balance when he hit me... 'N I woulda got up. Sooner or later."
"Most likely later."
They are so funny!
Yeah, the ills of the world and living in such an ultra-conservative place weigh pretty heavy on Hank sometimes, (You should see the reams of conversation he edits out... Then again, you’d probably rather not... :=D ) And Hank knows he ends up preaching to the choir more than he should. Just ask Ed. (Ed just rolled his eyes and said, "You have NO idea.")
Hank resolved to try and lighten up some after the election and in the new year, but then Ed went and took him to 'MILK' and then a week later they ran into that jerk at the bar and Hank just couldn’t not write about those things. (So technically, it’s partly Ed and Betty’s fault... :=) )
Also, with the Prop 8 stuff spilling over into Utah and all the very vocal anti-gay sentiment that’s everywhere here and the three bills for just basic rights for gays (not even close to civil unions) being squashed like bugs without ever even making it out of committee - it’s spelled out something very clearly that Hank always pretty much knew but yet never really had to face as a cold, hard fact before - that he and Ed probably never will be able to get even basic equal rights in Utah, much less get legally hitched, unless the federal government steps in and does right by gay folks across this entire country.
Hank also knows Ed couldn’t stand moving off the ranch to a more welcoming city or state, so he knows he just has to make his peace with it. (But he’ll never stop fighting, of course.)
Well, that’s probably a whole lot more than you wanted to know, but Hank’s glad you still think they're funny, and glad you said how you felt. And he can’t make any promises, BUT... the idea is that this camping trip, and if he can get Ed to go somewhere in summer too, will get Hank out of his funk and maybe end up making Ed do some stuff that’ll give Hank something else to write about.
I love you guys and us Betty an Myrna's will always come out and fight for you! How stupid is it that this stuff is still going on? These Utah guys need their mothers to come out and give them a big smack on the back of their heads and say "smarten up!!!!" It sickens me!
Thank you for this!
Thanks! That is so sweet of you to say. And yeah, it's all pretty stupid, and for Ed pretty damn nerve-wracking. (And for Hank too, but he doesn't like to admit it.) And yeah, I wish all those mothers would realize how much power they would have to change things if they would just decide to band together and do so.
Hooray for Betty and Myrna! and I'm relieved that crisis management against this outbreak of bigotry was in a measure successful.
One of the (many) things I really can't wrap my mind around is that mankind is just now sending space probes in search of aliens, more or less inviting them down to tea, while here on Earth a lot of people still can't accept diversity *within our own species*: different genders, different religions (or lack thereof), different choices of relationship, different eating habits, or colors of skin, or of eyes...
I hope aliens, if any, will be *very* careful before making any contact whatsoever. (Remember "The Man Who Fell To Earth"?)
Now that I'm at it, let me also quote, on a more hopeful level, Morgan Freeman's answer to the little girl asking him why he is black: "Because God loves wonderful variety" ("Robin Hood" by Kevin Reynolds). S/He sure does, or S/He wouldn't have produces such a plenty of bug species =)
Enjoy your camping, you all
Hank seconds that hooray for Betty and Mryna. And Hank talked to Bill afterwards and it seems that Betty pretty much stayed on the high road while Myrna seems to have veered off of it every now and again.
And yeah, Hank figures earth must be on some kind of inter-planetary travel warning list as a planet to avoid if at all possible, so he doesn't really expect to see that UFO land in the yard anytime soon.
Love Morgan Freeman's answer to the little girl. It's amazing that so many people can't see that.
And thanks, we will do our best to enjoy our camping trip.
I enjoyed reading this. I am sorry that Ed and Hank still have to cope with so much hate and stupidity from people who have probably known them all for many years but remain ignorant.
On another note, this author was recently on "The Daily Show": "Unfriendly Fire" by Nathaniel Frank. If you can get it online, I recommend that you watch it.
Here is a brief review from Amazon:
When the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy emerged as a political compromise under Bill Clinton in 1993, it only ended up worsening the destructive gay ban that had been on the books since World War II. Drawing on more than a decade of research and hundreds of interviews, Nathaniel Frank exposes the military’s policy toward gays and lesbians as damaging and demonstrates that “don’t ask, don’t tell” must be replaced with an outright reversal of the gay ban.
Frank is one of the nation’s leading experts on gays in the military, and in his evenhanded and always scrupulously documented chronicle, he reveals how the ban on open gays and lesbians in the U.S. military has greatly increased discharges, hampered recruitment, and—contrary to the rationale offered by proponents of the ban—led to lower morale and cohesion within military ranks.
Frank does not shy away from tackling controversial issues, and he presents indisputable evidence showing that gays already serve openly without causing problems, and that the policy itself is weakening the military it was supposed to protect. In addition to the moral pitfalls of the gay ban, Frank shows the practical damage it has wrought. Most recently, the discharge of valuable Arabic translators (who happen to be gay) under the current policy has left U.S. forces ill-equipped in the fight against terrorism.
Part history, part exposé, and fully revealing, Unfriendly Fire is poised to become the definitive story of “don’t ask, don’t tell.” This lively and compelling narrative is sure to make the blood boil of any American who cares about national security, the right to speak the truth, or just plain common sense and fairness.
Thanks. Yeah, it's especially tough on Hank to live in a town where some of the folks who seem friendly to his face aren't really his friends. (It's interesting that you said that because Hank didn't mention it to Ed the night it happened, but Hank knew one of the guys who was with the jerk who said that and hit him. It was a guy from the ranch store who Hank often talked to and thought of as somewhat of a friend.)
Thanks for the review of Nathaniel Frank's book. We don't have cable so we watch some of the Dailey Show stuff online, but we missed that one. It's all so completely stupid and outrageous. He probably mentioned this on the show, but there were 11 openly gay soldiers kicked out of the military this past January. Here's a link in case he didn't. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hpeUgalkmDYBA01AqyemJ0xKtIQwD96SMBUG3
Thanks for the previous comments too! Sorry I didn't get a chance to respond to them yet.
"Bill said a few of the folks in the bar started applaudin' fer Betty 'n Myrna..." and I do too. And I love this story:
"One big dumbass falls real hard fer another big dumbass... 'n they eventually manage ta get together permanent-like 'n live happily ever after... most a the time anyways...".Thank you so much. Martha
Hank will join you in applauding Betty and Myrna too. He's real glad they gave him what for.
Glad you liked this one too!
This chapter's storyline was poignant but today I feel like concentrating on the humour ans sweetness of your work I and just loved this whole exchange:
"I got a better idea... How 'bout you jus' be Hank 'n I'll jus' be Ed...?"
"Ed 'n Hank, huh...?"
"Yeah. Hank 'n Ed."
"What's the story line...?"
"One big dumbass falls real hard fer another big dumbass... 'n they eventually manage ta get together permanent-like 'n live happily ever after... most a the time anyways..."
And I am pleased that Ed and Hank got to watch Heath win the Oscar.
"I dunno... I guess I'm willin' ta give it a go... but it sounds a l'il dull..."
"Yeah... I wish... C'mere, dumbass..."
Hank prefers concentrating on the humor, (when he can anyways) too.
And yeah, Heath sure did deserve that Oscar.
Glad you liked this post too!